No bulls, no fluff, no stains
The Palm Coast government has only obtained two bids from garbage transporters, one of which is the waste professional version, because it considers whether to replace the waste professional version or insist on using the transporter that has provided garbage services in the city since 2007.
According to the bidding documents, if the current two-weekly service is maintained, both bids will result in a substantial price increase: if the waste specialist company wins another five-year contract, the price will increase by 30%, and if the city council wins the contract, the price will increase 66%. Looking for reasons to choose the bidder for the professional version of Challenge Waste: FCC Environmental Services.
For many years, the city has been frustrated with the intermittent service quality of Waste Pro, but this dissatisfaction may not be overcome, so much so that the city will choose a much higher price company, especially as the two-thirds of the city’s early this year. At some point, residents responded to a survey on garbage services, saying they were satisfied.
The recurring difficulties of Waste Pro and the city government fined for poor service-nearly $14,000 in May, when the city government announced that the company had defaulted, $4,000 in June and more than $10,000 in July-almost nothing to do with the search. The five-year contract for Waste Pro expires in 2022. But the city issued a request for proposals, just like five years ago, when it only attracted another competitor (Jacksonville’s Advanced Disposal Service) and 10 years ago, when it attracted three competitors (Advanced Disposal Service). Disposal, Waste Management, and WCA Waste Corp. based in Texas) Waste Pro wins every time.
None of the previous bidders tried this time. The competitor is the FCC Environmental Services Department, which is a relatively new member of the US waste field. The bid request requires the company to submit prices under four "scenarios" or options to collect more than 35 million tons of garbage, nearly 5,000 tons of recycling, and more than 5,000 tons of yard garbage generated by Palm Coast residents and businesses each year. The Palm Coast City Council wanted to study how much they would quote if the company only provided services once a week instead of twice a week as it is now. They want to know the price difference between the service that residents provide their own trash cans and the porters who provide trash cans.
In each of the four options, Waste Pro is quoted at a lower price. (See the table below.)
The current service means collecting rubbish from the trash can provided by residents rather than the company twice a week, recycling once a week and collecting yard rubbish once a week. Since 2017, today’s monthly fee is $20.36. The new price of Waste Pro is US$26.46, or an increase of US$6.11 per month, and the annual cost is US$317.52 (compared to the current US$244.32).
FCC Environmental’s monthly fee for the service is US$33.84, which is US$13.48 higher than the current price and US$7.38 higher than the new price quoted by Waste Pro.
If the city adopts the same plan but chooses the trash can provided by the transporter, the price is almost equal: Waste Pro is quoting $32.23 per month, which is 58% more than today’s charge, while FCC Environmental is quoting $33.43, which is 1.20 more than Waste Pro. USD, 64% higher than the current rate. The price of the canned food provided by the FCC for the company is lower than the price of the service under the canned food provided by the residents. But this is not surprising. It reflects the cost savings through automation. Company=provided cans means that a porter may not need to have two employees on a truck. For example, in Bonnell and Flagler Beach, the city provides services on its own. The driver of the garbage truck uses an automatic hydraulic arm to hook the can provided by the city, and then throws the contents into the truck. The city council is also interested in exploring weekly garbage collection, which is adopted by many counties and cities. In this case, Waste Pro will still charge a higher fee than it is now, increasing the monthly cost by 14% to $23.22. FCC Environmental's price is $25.54, which is an increase of 25% over current costs. If these companies provide their own cans, the cost is almost equal: Waste Pro is $27.14, and FCC Environmental is $27.98. But the weekly service will require residents to have larger bins, and in a city where almost 30% of residents are over 65, this option may not be so attractive.
Regardless of the "scene", the service will of course still include the collection of large and "white goods" (or large appliances). The city council considered canceling recycling, but the discussion did not go far, although more and more residents felt that recycling was more cynical: Many recycled materials, such as glass and newsprint, are no longer profitable for transporters to recycle. Now markets such as China no longer accept these things. Residents questioned whether their recyclables were recycled or eventually thrown into the garbage dump. Waste Pro has assured the city that recycling will continue. On the other hand, Flagler Beach no longer recycles all products except aluminum and cardboard products.
In its bid, the FCC promised to recruit locally. "FCC will give priority to recruiting employees from the previous transportation company and employees living in Palm Coast City and Flagler County," it said. All of the company's trucks will be allocated exclusively to Palm Coast and operate on compressed natural gas.
The FCC has clearly studied its competition and noticed the many fines (so-called "liquidated damages") imposed on Waste Pro by the city. The FCC also solved this problem: “The FCC only assessed liquidated damages related to services involving solid waste of US$10,000 (within a month) or more. In February 2016 (US$15,100) and March 2016 (US$13,200) During the Orange County contract transition period, customers changed from manual collection twice a week to automatic collection once a week.” In the past few months, the company won an eight-year contract in June. Covers most of Hillsboro County. It won a 10-year contract in Wellington in May to replace the waste management department. In Florida, the company also serves Orange County (since 2016), Polk County (since 2017), Palm Beach County (since 2019), Volusia County (since 2020) and Edgewood County City (beginning this year) to provide services. Orange, Polk, and Volusia collect garbage once a week, and Palm Beach and Edgewood twice a week.
The FCC was established in Barcelona in 1911, and the garbage transportation contract has been kept in the city. The company is known by a different name: Fomento de Costrucciones y Contratas. It became the FCC Environmental of Europe (part of its umbrella company FCC Group). It didn't start operating in the United States until 2014. According to Waste Today, it won a biosolid waste collection contract in Houston, and Houston became the company's US headquarters. (The company's bidding documents indicate that it began operations in the United States in 2008.) Since then, its U.S. customer base has grown to 8.5 million.
In addition to providing services to Palm Coast, Waste Pro also provides services to Flagler County residents in the unincorporated part of the county, and its contract with the county reflects or piggybacks the Palm Coast contract. The company has invested heavily in its Bunnell warehouse, and despite occasional difficulties, it still maintains a loyal support base. The city’s evaluation team has not yet rated the two bids. That was due on Friday. The board of directors will then consider evaluations, which are not binding on board members, but are of great significance. The contract with Waste Pro will expire on January 27.
Garbage bidding, 2021 scenario: A.1A.2B.1B.2 FCC environment $25.54$33.84$27.98$33.43 Waste Pro$23.22$26.47$27.14$32.23 Click on the name of each company to view detailed cost recommendations for each plan. These four situations explain: • A.1 Recycling garbage in the cans provided by residents once a week, recycling in the trash can every other week, once a week yard garbage collection, once a month for bulky items and every Call white goods (main appliances) in advance once a month. • A.2 Two-week canned garbage provided by residents, one-week trash bin recycling, one-time yard garbage collection once a week, one-time weekly bulky items, and one-time white goods every week. • B.1 The garbage in the shopping cart provided by the city contractor is collected once a week, the garbage collected in the shopping cart provided by the city contractor is collected every other week, the yard garbage is collected once a week, and the large items are collected once a month and every month. Call the white goods one time in advance. • B.2 2 weeks garbage in the shopping cart provided by the city contractor, 1 week recycling in the shopping cart provided by the city contractor, 1 yard garbage collection every week, 1 time a week for large items and 1 time a week Call white goods in advance.
What a pile of horse dung...
A2 Scrap! I live in many cities and they are "the best value for money". So what if a truck breaks down and they are one day late. They did a job I didn't want. Yes, sometimes I need to pick up some paper that they fell. I didn't get enough exercise anyway. Yes, sometimes I will pick up my old neighbor to do this. My social security payment has gone up a bit, but I don’t need anyone to help spend it! ! ! !
As a former rubbish thrown away waste pro is rubbish. They are sloppy, they are careless (2 people were killed in 5 years due to bad drivers) and their service prices are too high. Palm Coast should follow FLAGLER Beach’s decades of practice and Bunnells’ new practice, and use city trucks and employees
Must agree! One thing Flagler Beach does well is picking up trash. They are quick to be friendly and complete the task.
I agree! I have never encountered a problem with people picking up or working on a truck. They are great. So I am curious, is it because all the people who move here put more pressure on the system? This is my guess. Don't come here people! We are closed! ! You are destroying our nirvana!
Why did the truck pick up the next day? All the trucks did was cross the block, because except for the elderly, they happened to throw away the trash cans every day regardless of whether there was anything in them. You should see these people shaking their heads when looking at my neighbor, there is only one garbage bag in the trash can.
Of course, the staff will not tell the office because they don't want to miss a day's work.
It's not how garbage collection works at all, but it's okay. If there is a 2-day pickup, there will be a 2-day pickup, it doesn’t matter whether there is something or not. No one in the office cares. This will not cause them to lose a day’s work, especially on the Palm Coast, where dozens or even hundreds of people have not been picked up due to lack of manpower.
I live in Plantation Bay (Flagler County) and would be comfortable with garbage collection once a week. In the past few years, Waste Pro has encountered many problems regarding delays or pick-ups usually the next day.
John, can I ask what's the big deal if they are one day late? They start at 6 in the morning until who knows what time? If a truck breaks down, how many spare parts should they have?
We need garbage collection twice a week! You must be lucky not to make your trash and garbage smelly, especially in the warmer months. If we recycle the trash once a week, people will start to put the buckets outside 24/7, which will smell nearby. Even if we have a 30% increase, that means an increase of about $6.00 per month. It is still very cost-effective to collect garbage twice a week, recycle once, and dispose of the yard garbage once a week. If the price rises to US$26.00 per month, it will still be only US$6.50 per week, or approximately US$1.50 higher than the current price.
Tulip: I totally agree with you, I guess Plantation Bay thinks their stuff is not smelly. If they can afford to live there, the weekly increase of $1.50 is nothing.
It's time to extend the bid. Invite others to participate. Of course, these two bidders can do better to make their bids more affordable and efficient.
The waste professional has a spy in the city hall. Interestingly, they are always a little less. I am personally tired of calling and saying that I missed the pick-up, the streets are full of rubbish, I missed branches, there are too many branches...This company is the worst, in all the places I have lived. Yes, this is a terrible job...but this is their garbage worker. No one stayed there with their guns on their heads, so they had to enjoy it. It's time to change to another porter... Waste Pro is done! Let's use it out of the box, 1 truck, 1 driver, and a new special tank made for this purpose, which saves time and manpower. Now, if the city spends the tax on all these new houses built on Palm Coast, they can keep them in the houses. I bought three trucks and caught three city workers. They believed that they were responsible and solved the problem. No junk pro version!
That's great. Our social security payment has increased by 5.9%, and now the great city of Palm Coast hopes to increase its garbage collection rate by 30%. It is great to help the elderly who live on a fixed income. Thank you dads in the city! I remember when you were in the election
Well, this is what you get when you try to anger the garbage collection business, because these "garbage companies" are very closed. You mess up one and the other will pick up the pieces, which will cost you more than you paid.
Regarding the size of the bucket, we should be allowed to have our own bucket. The ones provided are huge and must be right on the side of the road for the truck to lock it. Due to various physical problems, most elderly people cannot handle such a large size, and the garbage will be left in the garage for a week, smelling the smell in the garage, and then the smell will seep back into the house. Recycling every other week is fine, because these things are "clean".
With the taxes and utility bills collected by Palm Coast, they have more money to start their own health department and buy their own trucks. Utilize is professional until they have a down payment and phase them out. The City of Flagler Beach has been doing this for decades and has one of the best health workers in the county. Bunnell recently switched to the city's health department, which has consistently served well. This will actually reduce the cost of taxpayers and the city if they have a competent person in charge. When I was working in FLAGLER City, we did not leave trash cans on the ground or in cans in the driveway. We actually care about our work and our city...
With proper recycling enforcement and proper use of used electrical appliances, the city can actually make money from certain items that usually require a fee to pick up. Look at the budget and expenditures of the Sanitation Department of Flagler Beach City from 2012 to 2015. The supervisor at that time had solved these problems, and the department budget had done a good job. Around the corner, it actually has a quarter of more money in its budget towards the end of the year. He forced recycling and cut dumping fees by more than half. Then he launched a metal scrap recycling program to send all scrapped electrical appliances to John’s dump instead of landfill. This not only reduced thousands of tons of dumping fees, but actually brought the money back to the city’s sanitation department, saving them up to $1 million or more each year and earning hundreds of thousands of dollars for the department.
Waste Pro does a great job! We don’t need any 66% increase just to replace porters, because the waste professional version is very good...If we can complete the collection of garbage, yard waste, and recyclables once a week, we can... Don't change the waste professional version and don't repair what is not broken. In view of inflation, a small increase in the garbage rate is okay. In the survey, most residents want to keep the waste professional version...please listen to us.
Everyone in the city council seems to like to yell at each other about how bad they are, but have nothing to say about adding terrible services? Let's come together! Give residents an option to opt out. Those who bring their trash and recycling to Bunnell Yard. Don't charge us at all. remember? We people waiting for a piece of paper? . You are so fucking pitiful. Worse, you know it is coming!
The last two times I tried to go to Bunnell landfill, the scales are no longer open to the public. Has it changed?
A weekly garbage collection will be the way to go. Recycling can be eliminated because there is no such thing in Palm Coast. The recycling truck is the same as the garbage truck. Everything is squashed together. How can you separate things when unloading? Collecting once a week doesn't need to go up! ! !
Option A1 with a waste pro would be very reasonable. We don't need garbage trucks to come to our house 4 times a week. This is just wasteful and unnecessary. This is a waste of manpower and fuel. Garbage collection once a week, and collection every other week will apply to most customers.
It's just my opinion that the garbage rate will increase. The bigger problem is not whether any given residence provides its own garbage cans, but that additional new construction and growth still need to serve more people 2 days a week & garbage. From the perspective of US$6.10, in a month of 4 weeks or even 5 weeks, from US$20.36 per month to US$26.46, the weekly pick-up plan is 8-10 pick-ups per month. This means an increase of 76.25 cents per pick-up in a 4-week month, and an increase of 61 cents in a 5-week month. Because they want to increase apartment buildings and duplex houses/single-family houses, just like them, because hundreds of people consume and increase the garbage tonnage, every 2 days, look at some of your neighbor’s garbage in the corner, some The utilization rate of people is higher. The garbage service is the existing load. It is really impossible to predict the increase in the tonnage of garbage that will be brought about by the new relocation to apartments and houses.
Maybe a lower cost solution? Create a centralized location for trash bins so that residents can load trash once or twice a week to load cars? In any community, there will always be people who are too lazy to put trash. If you ever had to pick up your neighbor’s garbage, those nasty paper plates and uneaten food foils will eventually be collected from the street and the street to the middle of the street in front of your house in some way. This is an example of a rural collection point, which prevents garbage trucks from driving to every street for coverage, starting and stopping at every household on the street. Those potential problems? Eventually, the centralized location becomes annoying and filthy/dirty for those who do not pack the garbage properly.
https://www.pca.state.mn.us/waste/rural-garbage-collection-strategies
FLF says-Go to A.2 Wastepro, I leave my cans in the garage until the day of delivery. Try to put your trash on hold for 7 days in the summer, think about how much money you save by picking up one day a week, and your nose will tell you otherwise... what is the price increase for maintaining the same service. Is it really $6.11? Let's see, this is the 2 gallons of gasoline in the car, 1 six pack of beer, 1 pack of cigarettes or 3 sweet peppers from Publix...Focus on frying bigger fish in this world...
There are all the elite soldiers in the city, because they can get help, I won't even bid for this city contract. Let the city do it by itself.
This is the first time I read about this situation, so some of my suggestions may not be relevant at this stage. In my opinion, bidding for services was not handled well from the beginning. We only received two replies, as well as two companies that have worked with the county before. The county cannot just issue tenders and hope to get a strong response in such a highly competitive field. The county should actively advertise and open up flexible solutions. Only two responses did not provide an effective solution and demanded excessive prices. MS should be sufficient to prove that the county needs to post and advertise bids. I offer the following suggestions: 1. The county relists the bids. This time, various possible suppliers are solicited directly through direct notification. If Flagler County is seeking garbage services and is open to flexible creative solutions, and hopes to get a response from every company that may provide services and solutions, then a positive/attractive tender notice should Will be told. Of course, this should bring more competition. Then maybe prices and choices will improve. 2. I moved from a county that was picked up once a week. We will have to buy large hydraulic lifting trash cans. The small jars in the retail store are too small, and they are garbage once a week. If the supplier must empty 2 or 3 cans for each household, you can bet that they will increase the price. Picking up goods from non-hydraulic tanks once a week is simply not feasible for citizens or companies. 3. If the county agrees to large-scale standardized hydraulic lifting tanks, the bidding should be cheaper. In most cases, the driver or assistant does not need to leave the truck. These companies can serve routes faster with fewer trucks. Therefore, this is a significant economic advantage for Supplier 4. The problem is the impact cost of buying canned food. County towns can be purchased in large quantities, thereby reducing individual prices. But this is a great advantage for service providers. They should take some measures to reduce the impact on citizens. Maybe six months or one year to reduce services or prices. Or offer discounts or monetary rewards to the county.
In a city where all workers can park their commercial vehicles in expensive storage facilities, this is nothing. You can quadruple the garbage service, and this town will not miss a beat. All loyalists will pay for their money.
Yesterday they drove to my street at 6:15 in the morning... drove past my trash can and recycling station. This is the third time. Now I have been trapped by sticky trash for two days. Screw their prices up!
The canned food provided by Hauler will greatly reduce the waste blown out by animals or taken out of the can. Blowing away the lid will no longer happen. These cans only need to be taken once a week. If you are too old and weak to push the trash can to the side of the road, then please seek help from others. Who would refuse anyone asking for such a simple thing?
unbelievable. Yes, if it is increasing, then we should get an extra day of recycling time. It sounds like PC City is a bad debater when it comes to fighting for taxpayers' rights and service costs.
I hope all those who comment on what they like will take the time to fill out the survey that Palm Coast will provide to urban residents soon, and ask for opinions on what kind of garbage service we want. On the one hand, I submitted an investigation to the city government. Before moving to Florida from the West Coast, I never picked up trash twice a week, although I wonder why we picked up trash here in the first place, but I do like it and think it is necessary because we have a very warm summer climate Damp. Sometimes, Waste Pro will miss me because of the pick-up, but this is rare. I don’t know what’s all the fuss...I think their service has been satisfactory for the past 8 years when I lived in this city, and suggested that the city council vote for Waste Pro another service twice a week contract.
I am curious how much of the increased cost will go to those who really need it, that is, workers, rather than corporate profits or shareholders.
Yes, I just got my new, raised water, sewer, rain, and garbage bills from last month. Significant increase, and now it is recommended to increase garbage. This is an additional cost in addition to the increase in property tax. Wow, how good the new city council is. Those of us on fixed incomes are already struggling: gasoline and groceries. Good job guys
New York City has once again mismanaged the so-called RFP. There is no person with solid waste management experience in this city to introduce other bidders. 1) Never go to the weekly service. The smell, flies and cockroaches can be terrible. (New York City issued a questionnaire, but it was rejected once a week.) 2) Use a garbage truck provided by a contractor for automation like Bunnell. If we use the right trash can, we will reduce the trash flying around. 3) Has the Solid Waste Supervisor of Palm Coast City checked who is driving a waste professional truck? Even her driver is a truck from here. I saw a sign with an out-of-area telephone number on it. Oh, yes, we don't have experienced solid waste supervisors, and no one is checking anything! Waste Pro has introduced foreign drivers to regain praise. Check those contract areas to see how bad the service there is, because Waste Pro has taken the truck and driver away from them. Some GPSs are installed on trucks in other areas and cannot help drivers here. This is fu#@$-ed. So let's give the contract to the same contractor and use more money to get bad service! Manchester City made the wrong rookie mistake when bidding for this contract. Just sign the contract and give it to Wastepro. Don't let your residents work with your inexperienced city manager to make things worse. Monte Cristo
For most residents, weekly garbage, bi-weekly recycling, and bi-weekly yard garbage should be effective. Recycling should have no peculiar smell, and you can coordinate the work in the yard around the receiving date. If you have more garbage than you can collect every week, then you buy and waste too much! Remember what your mother told you... "Clean up your plates because children are starving in Europe" and "Don't waste, don't". We have become a wasteful and discarded society.
I voted for city trucks, city employees, and city-provided hydraulic lift boxes. You can also reduce the types of items or eliminate recycling altogether. Where my son lives, there are hydraulic lift boxes provided by 3 cities, which are color-coded for household waste, recycling and yard waste. After the truck passed by, there were no leftovers, dustbin lids, or dustbins flying around the street, which seemed to work well.
Use hydraulic trucks and garbage bins provided by the city to bring them indoors.
I moved to Palatka, but will continue to work here. I just don’t pay $2,000/month to live here.
Great, but i'm over
Anyone who has a dream and wants your recycle bin to become a new product is taking drugs. Throw everything in the trash can, and economically recycled things are not sustainable for porters! boom. morning Call! ! ! No one will take your discarded items on your monthly utility bill and use them to make any new items. Will anyone prove me wrong?
Let us reduce it to real numbers. On our small dead end in the PC, we can find five houses in less than five minutes, and I have timed them. Most of the time here is spent turning the truck around. The time to get on the car along straight streets is faster, about 30 seconds each time. The same goes for recycling. The waste in the yard is a bit slow, but not so strong, so for the sake of argument, let's call it the same.
So an average of two minutes per house per week. 4.3 weeks per month, which means 8.6 minutes per month or approximately $2.36 per minute of service. A truck is 142 dollars per hour, with 2-3 workers per truck. If for some reason things get very bad on a certain day and the service time per house increases to three minutes, then the hourly rate will drop to $94.70 per hour. This only takes into account the pick-up time and does not include travel time between Volusia office/yard, Palm Coast City and the landfill, which will only reduce the hourly rate. If the crew’s salary is $20 per hour and assuming a 100% labor burden, $62 per hour is left to pay for trucks, insurance, taxes, tips, and fuel.
Although I don't want to pay any extra fees, I have to admit that if it is reasonably reasonable, the cost of our garbage, recycling and yard garbage will rise. It’s much better than our northern state-owned farm charging $100 a week.
I will pick up the package twice a week. I can stop recycling and throw the garbage in my yard into the open space
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